policy in that regard whether he'll get completely get there or not, i don't know. but he certainly has moved it. >> david, let's go back for a minute here. let's be for real. fidel castro was financially supporting the anc when the u.s. and other world powers were shunning them, some considered them a terrorist group. at some point the u.s. was not on the right side of history when it came to south africa. it is very fitting you have cuba's leader front and center, speen a speaking role there. is it possible there could be recness of cuba's role at that time that could alter perhaps the way the united states sees cuba today? >> i'm not sure i'd go that far, but i do think that any son mandela in his early years depended heavily upon a number of people we found odious in the united states, including moma gadhafi. if he'd been alive today, perhaps he would have spoken, as well. it speaks to the mandela journey that in the beginning he was regarded by the west, i about the united states, by britain, by margaret thatcher as a terrorist. but as we've learned over time,